You know, I think we're running in circles. I'm still saying Bard was the first who did the insulting, especially since Thorin had no way of knowing the elves would come and was justifiably wary of that.
Of course the wisest thing would have been to not to insult at all! But no one did that, and no one was entirely justified.
And I confess that now I'm blinking too, because how on earth are Thorin's and Thranduil's situation comparable? Thranduil rightfully demanded an explanation, yes. But he did so in a needlessly hostile way, against people who posed no threat to him in numbers, had not harmed him before, and whose only trespass was that they had lost their way in a spider-infested forest and were looking for help. (Again, please note how Thorin and Elrond get along. The movie was wrong about that: the elves do a bit of teasing and the dwarves a bit of grumbling, but it's all very good-natured and an altogether pleasant stay.)
So it's ok for Thranduil to do this, but if Thorin says "wtf?" to an entire host of people who obviously want his property, half of whom are of a folk who have no right to it and treated him in a hostile manner before, then *he's* unreasonable?
(Again, I'm not saying he *is* reasonable. But I still think that looking at his faults only and excuse the others is highly biased.)
But since we're both blinking now and I don't want to fight, I suggest we call it a draw? We obviously won't convince each other. How do you feel about an orc-killing competition?
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Of course the wisest thing would have been to not to insult at all! But no one did that, and no one was entirely justified.
And I confess that now I'm blinking too, because how on earth are Thorin's and Thranduil's situation comparable? Thranduil rightfully demanded an explanation, yes. But he did so in a needlessly hostile way, against people who posed no threat to him in numbers, had not harmed him before, and whose only trespass was that they had lost their way in a spider-infested forest and were looking for help. (Again, please note how Thorin and Elrond get along. The movie was wrong about that: the elves do a bit of teasing and the dwarves a bit of grumbling, but it's all very good-natured and an altogether pleasant stay.)
So it's ok for Thranduil to do this, but if Thorin says "wtf?" to an entire host of people who obviously want his property, half of whom are of a folk who have no right to it and treated him in a hostile manner before, then *he's* unreasonable?
(Again, I'm not saying he *is* reasonable. But I still think that looking at his faults only and excuse the others is highly biased.)
But since we're both blinking now and I don't want to fight, I suggest we call it a draw? We obviously won't convince each other. How do you feel about an orc-killing competition?